Monday, November 3, 2008

Oh, Lennie, NO!

Can you believe it?!?!

What was it? A mercy killing? Vengeance? "Good Riddance"?...

…Love?

Selfish? Unselfish?

Either way, it was a real tear-jerker. With the book now complete, we're wrapping up discussions and moving toward the test, which is currently scheduled for this Wednesday. Of course a paper is coming, too. Knew it had to happen, didn't you?

I suppose everyone is already making thematic connections between ALL of the short stories we read to OMM. They're there; you should make them.

129 comments:

Ethan Wieczorek said...

what do you mean by "Background [on novel?]"

Ethan Wieczorek said...

and by the "theme?" in the previews tag

Ethan Wieczorek said...

I don't understand the "background[on novel?] part especially the question mark part

Ms. LaBeau said...

THEME AND BACKGROUND IN INTRODUCTION: Basically, Ethan, PREVIEW is a bit of a peek, or, preview of what you will be writing about in general. Often, this may include some BACKGROUND on the novel (or whatever the topic is, in general). The "background (on novel?)" is me indicating that I don't know what exactly you will choose for your introduction, but thought to suggest it as an option, if it fits. The middle of the INTRODUCTION is general information that helps "set up" your paper; it makes the reader comfortable and ready to 'hear' your thesis and ideas.
Helpful??

ethan Wieczorek said...

yes, but i have one more questiion. in the begining of the book george says that the house will be 1 acre but later on he says it will be 10 acres, which is it?

Ethan Wieczorek said...

is there a minimal to how many quote we need per body paragraph?, and do we need any quotes in our intro or conclusion?

Ethan Wieczorek said...

is there a minimal to how many quote we need per body paragraph?, and do we need any quotes in our intro or conclusion?

Ethan Wieczorek said...

do we need to write the theme of the book in the intro

Ms. LaBeau said...

I don't have a copy here with me. I wonder what in mode he was talking to Lennie (?). Was he serious or daydreaming. I know, all of it was a daydream in general. If he literally says two different acreages, go with the one that was in the 'real' conversation.

QUOTE MIN.- minimum 1 quote per body paragraph,though you may have two (one for each character). None needed for into. and conclusion, unless you want to and it fits.

THEME may tie in for introduction well, depending on your "final thought". If you comment about loneliness or friendship, for example, they are themes. So, it depends upon your writing and choices.

Ethan Wieczorek said...

will we get less points for only 1 quote, or for not having the theme

anononymous said...

what would be the proper formatting if i want to take a quote from a website?

Sri Nanduri said...

So do we need to include the BACKGROUND or is it just a choice?

Ms. LaBeau said...

QUOTES/BACKGROUND CHOICES- # of quotes is minimum 1 required. Points are about how the entire paper flows and goes. More quotes may help, they may not. I'm not going to count extra quotes as more or less points. Use what works for you writing and paper. Same goes for the background 'requirement'. Consider it a suggestion. Do what will work for you essay.

Ethan Wieczorek said...

Does the friendship between George and Lennie count as a theme in our stories?

Ms. LaBeau said...

FRIENDSHIP, LONELINESS are two of the major themes. Yes.
For web source citations...there is a link on the Fremd, English Dept. , student resources website with a powerpoint for citations. OR, class on Wednesday.

Anonymous said...

do we have to have 5 examples of difference and 5 of similarities?
or can we just talk about one of each of them?

Anonymous said...

do we have to have 5 examples of difference and 5 of similarities?
or can we just talk about one of each of them?

Sri Nanduri said...

Do we need 5 differences for both characters or 5 for both the characters put together?

anononymous said...

in the introduction should we specifically state who we are comparing?

Ms. La said...

You MUST, absolutely, positively mention who it is you are comparing and contrasting in your introduction. Actually, it should be in the last sentence of your introduction, you thesis. Your THESIS is what everything in your paper ties back to , which is the set of characters you are working with, so your thesis must state their names.
GREAT WORK AND GREAT QUESTIONS!!
FIVE EXAMPLES/EXPLANATIONS: okay, at first I wondered where you got "five" until I remembered the SAMPLE outline. I will not be counting for five of anything. When you "just talk about them" for similaritites and for differences, just be sure you have clear points and supplement those points (clarify and support) with examples from the book; these examples can be both or either a quote or just a specific , concrete part from the book.

anononymous said...

can we have the alike paragraph before the difference one?

Anonymous said...

so is the paper total 2pages?

Ms. LaBeau said...

ORDER/ORGANIZATION: the simlarities and differences sections can be in either order. LENGTH: 2 pages? As long as it takes to get it done; I imagine any where from 4 to 6 paragraphs.

Sri Nanduri said...

What is the proper format for the Name, Period, Date...etc?

Sri Nanduri said...

I have a larger print book than the one u gave us in class. Is it okay if I use the page numbers from the book I have?

Elizabeth Amanieh said...

Hi..i was revising my papaer and I notices that besides describing the compare and contrast points,I also gave some information and tied it in with the idea of George and Lennie's ver unique bond. I was just wondering if that was okay?

samantha white said...

hello ms. LaBeau ^.^ just wondering, but the background is the background of the book, and the preview is kind of (for lack of a better word) previewing what you're going to talk about in your paper, correct?

also, we don't need to have quotes from a source outside of the book, do we?

Samantha White said...

hey, another stupid question, when saying Of Mice and Men in the paper, does it need to be in italics, or underlined? i know short stories were in quotes, but i don't know if the same rule applies here

joe kim said...

i have 3 questions...
1. for the conclusion what do you mean by summary...
is it the summary of the book?

2.I dont get question c from the conclusion..
is it how you like the character overall?

3. for the thesis there must be a question that youre answering...
what is that question that we are supposed to answer?

BEARS FAN said...

Joe the thesis you are answering is what is the similarity or the difference.

Patriots!!! said...

The summary means just briefly retelling what you said in your essay.

BRIEF!!!!

joe kim said...

im still confused

Ben Stiller said...

For the opinion all you have to do say which character you prefer.

joe kim said...

ru guys done with ur essays?

Ms. LaBeau said...

You guys crack me up! Just remember: be nice! SO far, I agree with the answers given by all above.
Underline book titles. Formatting: Name, E102, Ms. LaBeau, date due.
Yes on including stuff about Lennie and George's bond (just be sure it fits and doesn't stray from topic).
Sri, yes on the book and quote.
Samantha, do not NEED quotes from outside the book.
Joe, what they said, already.
And , hey, nothing like the last minute, eh? Actually, you all have another day! Good for you!!

anononymous said...

wait so we don't need 5 specific similarities and differences mentioned in our paper?

Anonymous said...

does it matter if its total 4 paragraphs or 6 paragraphs?

Anonymous said...

do we put our thoughts in the conclusion?

Anonymous said...

what do you mean by which character do i prefer? does it mean which character i like better?

Anonymous said...

are we supposed to write the structure of our paper into the outline you gave us?

Jack F said...

quick question. for 5th period's essay due do you write our paper in the perspective where someone whos reading it has read the book and knows about the characters or do we need to exlain each chaRacter as if they have never read the book?

Samantha White said...

though i'm pretty sure the answer for this is yes, do we need to have a paragraph or a section or something that shows how this relates to our lives??? please help me, i'm done, but just thought of this.........please help O.O

chuck said...

Why is George lonely in the story??

Sri said...

Jack, you are supposed to write the paper as if the person reading the paper has never read the book.

samantha white said...

chuck: george is lonely in the story because he feels as though he has to take care of lennie, and in doing so, he will never have any peace; he couldn't really make friends, because he had to move all of the time because of lennie causing trouble; does that help at all?

Priyal said...
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Anonymous said...

the chuck thing was my sister

Anonymous said...

thanks sam :)

joe said...

why is lennie lonely?

samantha white said...

you're welcome ^.^ and joe: lennie is lonely because no one really understands him, and no one but george really tries to understand or help him; he also is so far behind mentally that he is truly simple and not really capable of handling the things going on around him in his world; he has an innocent dream, that every migrant worker had dreamt, but it is impossible for both him and george as it is for all of the others; really hope this helps; anyone know about the personal connection thing???

Anonymous said...

personal connection??????????

Ms. LaBeau said...

Sounds like you guys have been busy! Samantha, great input, Sri, too! All you guys seem dead on with the paper. :)
Personal connection??? No need to have a paragraph for this. In the conclusion you may, but do not have to, indicate which character you like best, if it fits. Any personal connection would only be in the conclusion , if it seems to fit and flow. OR, it may help you with the final thought...? Really, no need to focus on 'personal connection'. Some writers may find that a personal example may help explain a point/idea; some may want to share a connection with the story in the conclusion. That's about it.

Anonymous said...

does the rough draft have to be typd?

Sri said...

How is Lennie lonely?

SRI said...

Do we need a title? If so, what should be?

the real joe kim said...

dude
i didnt post any of these comments
someone is a liar!!! argh!!!!
and my first question is do we need a heading?

anonymous said...

Samantha what do you mean by the connections thing?

jack f said...

thanks Sri!

Anonymous said...

Why is Curley lonely?

samantha said...

in most papers you need a personal connection, and i was just making sure we didn't need one here, and we DON'T need to have one

samantha said...

curley is lonely because his personality and tough guy attitude tend to make people shy away from him; because he is always defensive, no one really gets a chance to try to be friends with him, or wants to be friends with him; this makes him lonely because no one likes him

Sri said...

What should our title be?

Sri said...

Thanks Samantha for all your help.

Anonymous said...

how many reasons do we need to have!?

Sri said...

As many as you want. All you need is for it to flow.

Kate Brotz said...

Ms. Labeau,

For the paper formatting, earlier you said what we put for it, but is it just the same as the last paper we wrote?

samantha said...

you're welcome, and the formatting for the paper is the same as the format we used for the short story paper; and as minor and relatively unimportant as this is, do we need to have it stapled for class tomorrow? also, do we have to fill out the outline page from the hand out packet?

Sri said...

I am going to do the outline anyway just so i don't lose points.

Sri said...

Samantha what did you put as the title for your paper?

samantha said...

blah, i suppose i should do it then :( i hate doing outlines, especially after i finish the paper; i got a little babbly with my title, and i'm not sure if any one but me understands it, but it is
"A Mentally Disabled Man and an Old Dog: comparing and contrasting life and death" hehe, it's kinda long, but i don't know how else to phrase it and make it kind of interesting

Sri said...

For my title I said, "The Main Difference".

samantha said...

how sad, i like yours better, it's simple and actually makes sense, unlike mine :(

Anonymous said...

Do we need to double space?!

samantha said...

yes, it needs to be double spaced, all of it

Anonymous said...

okay thanks sam! : ]

samantha said...

you're welcome ^.^

Chuck Norris said...

what is included in your final thought/

Maggie L. said...

In my paper, I have a quote that ended....fatta the lan'"(69). That doesn't look right. Is it????
PS- can we have more than 1 sentence in a quote???

Priyal said...

i have a question on the quoote formatting too.is it
1. "anduiahfianfiauhf."(steinback 90) This shows hfjahfkjhf
2. "ashaiudghahdiHDIhd" (steinback 90). This shows kafhjoisafh

or are those both wrong ???

Priyal said...

maggie you can have more then 1 sentence in a quote

Maggie said...

Thanks Priyal! Um...I think it's ...."jsblfjhagslgh"(90). without the auther's name.

chuck norris said...

what do u need for a final thought and is there a specific amount of examples for similarities and differences???

chuck norris said...

examples per paragraph

chuck norris said...

or can u have only one

Maggie said...

Chuck...
ok. so you need the final thought to be your original thought provoker that leaves the reader thinking. Like Ms. LaBeau said the Jerry Springer example.

Next-You need to do enough similarities & differences so that it flows. I'm doing 2, just in case...
You will need a few examples or enough that the reader will think you understand what you're talking about.

chuck norris said...

thanks

Sri said...

Priyal the second one is right. You need the author.

Anonymous said...

I am doing Lennie and Curley. I found many differences, but nothing except for loneliness for similarities. Is this okay?
I ask this because I failed to find another similarity, and I also doubt there is another similarity.
Am I right?

maggie said...

i think you don't need it. Maybe it's either way. She didn't mark it wrong for the other paper.??? Now I'm confused!

maggie said...

My above comment was to Priyal and Sri. Sorry if that confused you.
and if you can't find any other similarities, then I guess that's the best you can do.

Anonymous said...

do we need a title for the paper?

Maggie said...

^
I think. Wouldn't hurt to put it in anyways.

maggie said...

does anyone know if this is right???--> ".....the fatta the lan'"(69).
^that 3rd thing!
it looks wrong:(

chuck norris said...

how do u site a quote?

Anonymous said...

k thx but what wud b a good 1?

SN said...

The title is your own choice. What you think seemingly fits the paper.

Maggie, for that sentence I think that u should put a period in sid of the quote.

george w bush said...

for example "Well, I could" (12).

Maggie said...

Opposites Attract Unless It's Lennie and Curley

idk....something like that???

mine is boring, so don't feel like you need something special:)

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if there is any other similarity between Lennie and Curley?

maggie said...

thnx Bush
SN, i don't think you can put a . in the quote.

You agree w/ me that the auther doesn't go in the quote, right???
just clarifiying it

Anonymous said...

do we NEED to write who I prefer more in conclusion?
or can we just skip that part?

SN said...

'"....live of the fatta lan'"'(90)

Try that. I think that would be good because that is what i did.

Barack Obama said...

how would u site "i tried not to forget. honest to god i did, George" which is on page 4

Sri said...

It will be good paper if you show your opinion.

Sri said...

"i tried not to forget. honest to god i did, George" (Steinbeck, 4)

Barack Obama said...

u need the author???

george w bush said...

u cant have a punctuation mark inside the quote
it always have to b outside the page number's parantheses

barack Obama said...

?????

george w bush said...

NO AUTHOR!!!!
where did u get author from?!?!?

barack Obama said...

sri

Sri said...

Yes you need the author.

george w bush said...

sri is stupid dont listen to him
listen to george w bush!!!
muahahahah

barack Obama said...

so how u do it W.

george w bush said...

ok
here is an example
"We'll have a cow" (105).
there like that
no steinbeck!!!
jeez

maggie said...

idk...but i'm confused too!

this is what i think (and I hope Ms. LaBeau corrects me before tomarrow)
*no auther
*"ajfhalsef"(90).
*idk if theres a second quote for if they're speaking?
Like...He states, “‘We gonna get a little place an’ live on the fatta the lan’’” (69).

Please correct. i think it's w/o the extra ones...but what do i know?

Sri said...

That's why I never liked Bush. The proper way to site a quote is by using the author's last name.

barack Obama said...

there isnt the double quotes

Sri said...

Maggie e-mail Ms. LaBeau and ask her.

george w bush said...

sri is wrong!!!!!
listen to bush
and maggie ur second one is correct
bush is rite sri is wrong
bush is rite sri is wrong!!!!!!
everyone sing with me!!!
bush is rite sri is wrong
bush is rite sri is wrong
bush is rite sri is wrong

barack Obama said...

who is bush

george w bush said...

george w bush
bush is rite sri is wrong
bush is rite sri is wrong
bush is rite sri is wrong
bush is rite sri is wrong
bush is rite sri is wrong

Sri said...

Wow, what a waste of comments. Any other questions.

maggie said...

so... i asked my sister about the quotes and she says the auther should be there w/o a comma, and w/o double quotes like so.....

"jslebhfajbhf" (Steinbeck 80).
ps. she's smart:)

Priyal said...

maggie i just asked my sister and she said the same thing
:)

Sri said...

see i was right except for the comma.

Maggie said...

ok cool. thnx guys! we finally found out this evil quote question on our own! yah!!!! :O

Sri said...

Good Luck everyone. I hope you have received all the information you needed

jackie bourdon said...

for quotes, when someone is speaking, and you want to put it in your paper, do you have to use double quotes?
like.....
""i like english" i said, "and blahblahblah""

george w bush said...

dude
i was rite sri
there is no steinbeck in parantheses!!!!